Comments on: MMORPGs, Security, and the Grand Promise of Middleware http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/ randomly timed outputs from covert.c's thought matrix Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:18:23 -0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Jimmy Muckley http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/comment-page-1/#comment-80766 Jimmy Muckley Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:18:23 +0000 http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/#comment-80766 Perfectly written story. It will be good for anybody who utilizes it, including yours truly . Keep doing what you are doing i will surely read more posts. By: covert creations » My adventures in ASCII http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/comment-page-1/#comment-1271 covert creations » My adventures in ASCII Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:06:06 +0000 http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/#comment-1271 [...] Most widely read post : MMORPGs, Security, and the Grand Promise of Middleware Got some good traction, thanks to Steve Davis and the good folks at IBM. [...] By: covert.c. http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/comment-page-1/#comment-685 covert.c. Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:56:46 +0000 http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/#comment-685 I'm not sure what you mean by ideals, seeing as the gist of the article argues against blind adherence to any catch-all solution. But to seriously address your question, meaning that I'll assume you're legitimately asking and not just trying to play some gotchya game of literalism, is that there are indeed several MMO middleware products on the market (or on their way). There's HeroEngine, Bigworld (as we've agreed) and Gamebryo. A looser definition of MMO middleware would include the Multiverse and Kaneva offerings, which include the hosting service as well. They're all linked at the top of the article.
But to seriously address your question, meaning that I'll assume you're legitimately asking and not just trying to play some gotchya game of literalism, is that there are indeed several MMO middleware products on the market (or on their way).

There's HeroEngine, Bigworld (as we've agreed) and Gamebryo. A looser definition of MMO middleware would include the Multiverse and Kaneva offerings, which include the hosting service as well. They're all linked at the top of the article.]]> By: unbeliever http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/comment-page-1/#comment-682 unbeliever Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:36:23 +0000 http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/#comment-682 Ideals aside, what other MMOG "middleware" infrastructure is there? By: covert.c. http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/comment-page-1/#comment-680 covert.c. Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:36:33 +0000 http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/#comment-680 I don't agree. Even if I adjusted your sentence to say, "MMORPG Middleware" it still isn't true. By: unbeliever http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/comment-page-1/#comment-679 unbeliever Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:31:42 +0000 http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/#comment-679 How does one define middleware? Microforte's Bigworld. Period.
Microforte's Bigworld. Period.]]> By: GameTomorrow » Security expert weighs in on game security http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/comment-page-1/#comment-438 GameTomorrow » Security expert weighs in on game security Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:26:06 +0000 http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/#comment-438 [...] For interested readers, a related discussion took place in early October over at covertcreations. The article is titled, ‘MMORPGs, Security and the Grand Promise of Middleware’. [...] By: covert.c. http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/comment-page-1/#comment-226 covert.c. Sun, 15 Oct 2006 05:57:32 +0000 http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/#comment-226 <I>Finally, don’t criticize PunkBuster and AhnLabs and GameGuard...they are a pretty good solution when security is an afterthought.</I> <P> Actually, that wasn't my intention at all. For RSA the available solutions weren't the troubling aspect, the business of helping solve it was! <P> Thanks everyone for the excellent discussion. Finally, don’t criticize PunkBuster and AhnLabs and GameGuard...they are a pretty good solution when security is an afterthought.


Actually, that wasn't my intention at all. For RSA the available solutions weren't the troubling aspect, the business of helping solve it was!


Thanks everyone for the excellent discussion.

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You don't need to go as elite as the F-22 Raptor to see full blown 3D design in effect. We do it here in our office where the entire marine vessel is done (structural, piping, etc) lock stock and barrel in "virual" space. The engineers can run all kinds of tests on it from hull performance to stability. The database even spits out all the sheets of metal that are needed to be cut to the shipyard to maximize space per sheet. Although it's pretty amazing, it's also fairly commonplace. That's all my point is.


But as far as using these tools as a pre-vis for prospective design or even as a low-end final result I think they are more than capable.


My experience with security is pretty humble. The best solution to any question I have is... if you want a secure computer system it's as easy as: Don't put it online. :)

]]> By: covert.c. http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/comment-page-1/#comment-207 covert.c. Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:08:21 +0000 http://covertcreations.com/blog/2006/10/06/mmorpgs-security-and-the-grand-promise-of-middleware/#comment-207 <I>My point is, why is an micropayment-based account that I’ve spent $200 on more appealing than the WoW account I’ve spent $200 on?</I> <P> Because your WoW account isn't able to spend more of that money. An RMT system with micro-transactions, at least how I imagine it, is. My point is, why is an micropayment-based account that I’ve spent $200 on more appealing than the WoW account I’ve spent $200 on?


Because your WoW account isn't able to spend more of that money. An RMT system with micro-transactions, at least how I imagine it, is.

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